tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post8678904070627868814..comments2024-03-18T04:55:23.399-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: Punish the Deed... of Breeding Pit Bulls for CashPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-86191458449827320922015-05-01T22:23:18.312-04:002015-05-01T22:23:18.312-04:00Hi. Great info.. Are you "public" and ...Hi. Great info.. Are you "public" and are you on FB? I'd love to see you commenting sometimes there. But maybe I already have?? <br /><br /> I felt a false sense of security seeing the dumpster full of dogs that look just like the dogs my neighbor has that are only a prayer away from reaching human prey. I have had near misses and also seen other people attacked. I raised pits in the 70's and in eight years, every one of them eventually snapped, be it towards livestock, other dogs or people. I would have defended to the death that my dogs wouldn't do that because I trained them so well, loved them and gave them a rightous chance to prove they were like any other dog. Well, lots of dogs get into the chickens but the way a pit bull kills and maims and is always covered head to tail with blood after the deed is not like other dogs. I finally snapped and accepted the reality.Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07732354957174109847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-16581147309147980402011-11-01T23:39:36.302-04:002011-11-01T23:39:36.302-04:00Fear is healthy in every dangerous situation. It e...Fear is healthy in every dangerous situation. It encourages avoidance. Not just in south east LA and/or when in close proximity of an angry/vicious dog or man that can over power you. You don't want to show fear and you need some courage to pull it off but you may get lucky and talk, command or negotiate your way out. But if you have to fight your way out and you aren't in a healthy state of fear, you may be selected against. The dog whisperer is like the crocodile hunter only Cesar hasn't experienced natural selection yet.Moochies Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512090692847570127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-4368069880177588812011-11-01T12:24:38.455-04:002011-11-01T12:24:38.455-04:00Good post regarding phobias vs. fear, but I said t...Good post regarding phobias vs. fear, but I said the man's dog was phobic (not the man), and that he feared pit bulls and had a concern that Cesar would bring Daddy along. The man feared pit bulls because he works in the insurance industry and sees the problems resulting from pit bulls. I'd say he has cause to feel the way he does. I'd have to watch it again, but my feeling was that Cesar was simply not going to tolerate the man's position regarding pit bulls, which had nothing to do with his phobic dog, which was the reason Cesar was called in. I felt it was over-stepping by Cesar and that it did the man a disservice. <br /><br />SeahorseSeahorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133454380103294333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-22394620403868867022011-11-01T05:05:29.211-04:002011-11-01T05:05:29.211-04:00So what about this phobic man?
If he was indeed ...So what about this phobic man? <br /><br />If he was indeed phobic, his phobia did not make him safer, but more prone to attack. He is sending the wrong vibe, same as if he was phobic of black and hispanic folks and was walking around South Central. While 95% of South Central is fine, the other 5% are subadults or are potted a quarter of the time, and ready for a fight, a robbery or whatever disorder that might happen and look fun. There's a lot of poor public intoxication and poor socialization in bad neighborhoods, and if you walk around phobic you are eventually going to attract the wrong element. You literally call the wolves in on your own position, which reinforces the phobia. <br /><br />So was Millan working to get rid of this phobia a good thing?<br /><br />Without a doubt. <br /><br />But if his message was that Pit Bulls are always just like all other dogs (I doubt he said that), then that's simply not true. <br /><br />And is the problem with Pit Bulls discrimination? Yes, it is "a" problem with Pit Bulls, but it is not THE problem with Pit Bulls. <br /><br />Since Millan makes the analogy, let me say that the BIG problem with Pit Bulls is the same as the BIG problem with illegal aliens; there are simply too damn many of them. <br /><br />People want a puppy, but they GET a full sized dog, just like they want a cheap worker, but they GET a human being with a family that needs schools, housing, and a place to hang out. <br /><br />Both molosser dogs and foreign workers are harder to handle than we imagine, and that is especially true in bumpy times, so we tend to kick both to the curb. But we deport illegal aliens, and we KILL Pit Bulls. A slightly different outcome. But do we hate Mexicans and Pit Bulls? Nope, We just fail to understand, until it is too late, that "free puppy" and "cheap labor" are oxymorons. Both can easily become expensive and problematic, which is why we need to go slow, put adults in charge, and stop overselling.<br /><br />P.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-49818391828348185202011-11-01T05:04:18.876-04:002011-11-01T05:04:18.876-04:00OK, now to come back to the man with the fear of P...OK, now to come back to the man with the fear of Pit Bulls. You use the world "phobia." A phobia is a strong irrational fear, bordering on panic, and YES the way you treat phobias is to put the person (or dog) in contact with whatever is making the person phobic, often slowly, so that their brain gets a chance to rewire itself and realize that the object is not going to klill them/fall out of the sky or whatever. <br /><br />There is a HUGE difference between having a true phobia and simply being cautious. I have spent time in some pretty bad neighborhoods and never had a problem because I recognize that even in the worst neighborhood (South Central LA, East LA, for example), 95 percent of the people are just trying to make a living and are fine if you respect them. The other 5% are mostly fine if you respect them, and they are sober, and you do not look like you are an easy mark. <br /><br />Notice the word RESPECT. <br /><br />Respect means you do not presume friendship, but you do not presume hate or combat either. Respect is neither one -- it is a quite authority that nods to an equal authority. So you address people politely, without too much noise, assuming we are all just people and we are all fine and doing our own thing. You do not look like you are new here, or are out of control. You are not talking too much, but you are not unnaturally silent either. You are not overly friendly but you do not shrink in fear. You realize you are (at least visually) out of place and now in "their" world. But no problem so long as you have respect. This recipe works everywhere for all people, and it does for dogs too.<br /><br />Now imagine you are clueless and "Valley girl friendly" in East LA or South Central. You are engaged in nonstop talk, you are loud, you are throwing your hair around and your purse, you are not dressed right, and you are generally signaling all over the place (not that you are even aware of it). You are going to look like a mark -- someone that can be pushed over -- and that will happen. By the same token, if you act terrified or phobic, you are also going to look weak AND you are going to be insulting. Nothing good can come from that. <br /><br />--- More to follow...PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-42713297538603475222011-11-01T05:02:58.894-04:002011-11-01T05:02:58.894-04:00I did not see the episode, but I will make two obs...I did not see the episode, but I will make two observations...<br /><br />The first is the Cesar Millan has absolutely embraced the "discrimination" frame when it comes to Pit Bulls. He says we treat them like illegal aliens and then he goes into a pro-open borders "We are the World" spiel about how Americans don't really want to work. I was in the room, when he spoke at National Geographic, and I heard it myself. <br /><br />I am not sure he really knows what he is doing here (we are not always that self-aware), but without too much wind up, Millan is no longer talking about the real world of Pit Bulls where they prove to be TOO MUCH DOG for most people about 2,000,000 times a year. Suddenly we are back to HIS story and you cannot actually talk about the problem of nearly 1,000,000 dead Pit Bulls a year (another 1,000,000 find another owner) without it being an attack on him. Is the interest of the dog being served here? No. And I suspect Millan would admit it if he was challenged in a friendly way. <br /><br />What is happening to Pit Bulls is NOT being done to them by people that hate them, but by people who love them. Rather than the story of discrimination (and if Cesar Millan's story is an example of how we discriminate against Mexican illegal aliens, please explain), Cesar's take on Pit Bulls is actually a recapitulation of what he sees every day; people holding dogs hostage as a way for them to help explain the world. <br /><br />For Millan, Pit Bulls are a symbol of adversity and bad odds. He sees them as a challenge, and a problem to overcome that CAN be overcome. <br /><br />OK, no problem. Full agreement.<br /><br />But is the fact that a third of Pit owners fail, and take their dog to the pound to be killed, a sign of discrimination? <br /><br />It is not. <br /><br />It is a sign that the dog is being overbred by people who say they love them, oversold by people who say they love them, acquired in haste by people who say they love them, and then abandoned at leisure by all of these same people. That is NOT discrimination! It is something else.<br /><br />--- More to follow ....PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-65510478031772673572011-11-01T01:05:31.934-04:002011-11-01T01:05:31.934-04:00Over the weekend I saw a re-run of a "Dog Whi...Over the weekend I saw a re-run of a "Dog Whisperer" episode, and I have to say, I don't think Cesar Millan was very fair to a man on the program. The couple had a phobic dog, and the man, an insurance agent, parenthetically had a fear of pit bulls. He had reason; he saw the results of their mishandling every day in his job. He had a real concern that Cesar would bring Daddy along, and he didn't want to confront that possibility. It almost kept him from asking Cesar for help with his fearful dog. <br /><br />Cesar surprised him by bringing Junior, and pressing the man to get over his fear of pit bulls. Now, I'm not a fan of pit bulls, but I would have no problem in the company of Cesar's personal dogs. But, that is NOT the real world and I felt Cesar played breed apologist and was off-course in this instance. The man, of course, felt pressured to nod and smile and ultimately say his mind had been changed about the breed. I don't think the real issues were confronted, the problems with the breed AND the people who "love" them. And, I felt that Cesar had done a disservice to the man and had blown off his reasons for fearing these dogs. Cesar's dogs are not "real world" pit bulls, IMO. They are not the ones running loose in the neighborhood.<br /><br />SeahorseSeahorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133454380103294333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-20563568971080329052011-10-30T01:24:42.748-04:002011-10-30T01:24:42.748-04:00PS
The death of Pit Bulls is not the problem. It&#...PS<br />The death of Pit Bulls is not the problem. It's the birth.Moochies Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512090692847570127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-41952370431958242222011-10-30T01:11:04.507-04:002011-10-30T01:11:04.507-04:00Roger that Pat. I have to say, I felt a false sens...Roger that Pat. I have to say, I felt a false sense of security seeing the dumpster full of dogs that look just like the dogs my neighbor has that are only a prayer away from reaching human prey. I have had near misses and also seen other people attacked. I raised pits in the 70's and in eight years, every one of them eventually snapped, be it towards livestock, other dogs or people. I would have defended to the death that my dogs wouldn't do that because I trained them so well, loved them and gave them a rightous chance to prove they were like any other dog. Well, lots of dogs get into the chickens but the way a pit bull kills and maims and is always covered head to tail with blood after the deed is not like other dogs. I finally snapped and accepted the reality. And you are right about the weed analogy. In the last 30 years they have become exponentialy more potent, violent, gang related, dangerous, bad for your health, usually associated with young dopers or just plain dopes. My other neighbor just had 15 pups out of a Rotweiler mix. The baby daddy(s?)were australian shepard mix so not agressive watch dogs. Saying that, I caught a pack of 4 surrounding a horse against a barbwire fence and a fifth one actively flanking it, the horse holding its own. I didn't have a gun so I yelled and chased them off. If it were pits, the horse would be dead, they would be covered head to toe in blood. I would silently get out of there or I'd be the one being chased. You may remember the dogs in No Country for Old Men? I see those dogs every time I walk down a street. They are usually behind a flinky fence, just waiting for the window of opportunity to be all they can be. I support sterilization or euthanasia for any public menace , potential or other wise.Moochies Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512090692847570127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-81768648704406952652011-10-28T21:37:56.811-04:002011-10-28T21:37:56.811-04:00In reading this, I wonder about the dogs that do h...In reading this, I wonder about the dogs that do have problems who are not owned by the young, ignorant subset.<br /><br />I pose a similar question as I did to Heather's writing on the increasing problem of aggression in golden retrievers:<br /><br />At what point do we blame bad TRAINING <i>in addition to</i> the problem of overbreeding and bad genetics?<br /><br />Over the past 40 years, we have seen the introduction of techniques and tools that, while having some efficacy, simply do not give the results attained with the commonly-termed "balanced" training. I'm fully aware that the stereotypical pit bull owner will train their dog any way they damn well please, but the people with problem dogs who try their best with their wallets buried deep in the pockets of a trainer who does not believe in aversives...and the dog ends up doing damage, intentional or not?<br /><br />The only saving grace is that, for a majority of pit bull owners that take such a route, they have probably already had the dog sterilized at the vet because that is the "responsible thing to do," which eliminates them from the set that decide to subsidize their rent/beer money with a few litters.<br /><br />As the idea stands, MSN of pit bulls is a wonderful idea, but it still goes back to the idea of MSN and we all know how well that works to begin with.<br /><br />Who gets the right to breed, or will we continue the mantra of "Until there are none," only with a specific type of dog instead of the entire species? Who would be allowed to have possession of that coveted 10%, and how would they be determined? I don't mind owning a sterile dog until someone gets on a soapbox about how testicles and tits are <i>not normal</i> and <i>need removed STAT</i>, which make me wish that my dog WAS intact so that I could honk them off by showing I'm a responsible owner with a well-trained and socialized bitch that would never be bred. I hate the holier-than-thou attitude taken by such people (it's BAD behind the scenes at veterinary clinics) that the dog is intact and the owner doesn't <i>deserve</i> to own it until it's reproductive organs are cut out. But strangely, I still agree with the idea of what is proposed here, mostly because it sounds like, as you state, the most plausible idea that will hopefully reduce the massive pit bull death count.<br /><br />I guess my problem is that I believe too much in the idea of responsible ownership, instead of the charade into which it's been changed, which is unfortunately the new norm.Viateciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523551407472141202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-79657740304107102242011-10-28T10:32:46.767-04:002011-10-28T10:32:46.767-04:00I'm so glad you included a word about how to g...I'm so glad you included a word about how to get Animal People, and I hope a ton of people subscribe. My subscription has lapsed, and I'm fixing that now.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06269415397411374828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-16285993098866740192011-10-28T10:19:53.801-04:002011-10-28T10:19:53.801-04:00I read you every day :)I read you every day :)Brains, Bones and Behaviorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119576857169330154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-84282088535778949132011-10-28T08:14:54.338-04:002011-10-28T08:14:54.338-04:00Glad someone is reading! THANKS!
And YES, there ...Glad someone is reading! THANKS!<br /><br />And YES, there is an RSS feed -- it's listed at the top on the right colum on the blog right under email and home pages... But it's here >> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/atom.xml<br /><br />I have become a huge fan of Google Reader as it goes straight into my cell phone. I cna "star" what looks interesting for later reading, or read it on the go. Nice thing this Internets.<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-588344277608147152011-10-28T07:43:39.421-04:002011-10-28T07:43:39.421-04:00Always love your stuff on pit bulls, which I have ...Always love your stuff on pit bulls, which I have known, loved, despised, and feared, in turn.<br /><br />Is there a thingy for an RSS feed option for your blog? I do get it by email but prefer to feed it into my iGoogle page.Richard Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295157685034187345noreply@blogger.com