tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post523526309603314474..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: Selling Woo and Provenance At Whole FoodsPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-72757580638269519262015-07-23T21:02:27.474-04:002015-07-23T21:02:27.474-04:00I don't drink wine and can assure you I could ...I don't drink wine and can assure you I could ace that test every time, can always tell good pate from dog food,every time, and I grind my French Roast just prior to brewing because of the vastly improved taste. I am some kind of freak?<br /> I don't shop at whole foods cause I don't like to get ripped off.Dog Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15376192910646365366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-58832201032028566952015-07-21T07:09:00.109-04:002015-07-21T07:09:00.109-04:00Blind taste tests can be set-up to sway participan...Blind taste tests can be set-up to sway participants either way despite any taste differences.<br /><br />Magic at the marketplace: Choice blindness for the taste of jam and the smell of tea<br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027710001381PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-45256732307243504292015-07-20T20:21:31.188-04:002015-07-20T20:21:31.188-04:00See this >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...See this >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Gtb1kElRk<br /><br />An interesting, if old, coffee commercial from the days back when we drank stuff from percolators. Folger's is made with robusta. With coffee, how you make it matters a LOT. I would like to try making cold brew with robusta, but it's almost impossible to get robusta beans.<br />PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-33446513215836811992015-07-20T19:43:51.631-04:002015-07-20T19:43:51.631-04:00Whole foods is the only place I can get decent pes...Whole foods is the only place I can get decent pesto in a jar. It's not as good as fresh pesto but many times better than other jarred pesto which is too vinegary. I don't even look at their meat and veg, I assume it's too expensive. I don't like their holier than thou marketing.<br />I prefer chickens to have had enough room to stretch their wings and legs, somewhere to perch and clean littler. It's difficult to know if that's what you're getting. <br />Not bothered about GM, genes aren't sacrosanct.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02502528836501841285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-13999927142018371292015-07-20T17:06:20.989-04:002015-07-20T17:06:20.989-04:00Next you'll be saying robusta tastes the same ...Next you'll be saying robusta tastes the same as arabica<br /><br />I suppose if a survey says so then it must be true.<br /><br />Tell me you can taste the difference between port and wine. I hate wine.<br /><br />Czech beer compared to bud. lol<br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05027595395982063184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-80279314527930518072015-07-20T16:04:02.730-04:002015-07-20T16:04:02.730-04:00Also from the USDA
Prevention. Since organic farm...Also from the USDA<br /><br />Prevention. Since organic farmers can’t routinely use drugs to prevent diseases and parasites, they mostly use animal selection and management practices. Only a few drugs, such as vaccines, are allowed.<br /><br />Treatment. Pain medication and dewormers (for dairy and breeder stock, prohibited for slaughter stock) are examples of allowed animal drugs. These therapies are only allowed if preventive strategies fail and the animal becomes ill.<br />Approved synthetics: http://bit.ly/livestock-synthetics<br /><br />If approved interventions fail, the animal must still be given all appropriate treatment(s). However, once an animal is treated with a prohibited substance (e.g., antibiotics), the animal and/or its products must not be sold as organic post-treatment.PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-39697828716564012652015-07-20T15:52:33.402-04:002015-07-20T15:52:33.402-04:00This quote: "Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and...This quote: "Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones" was taken from the USDA (US Department of Agriculture) website on the definition of "Organic"PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-48585503074077471952015-07-20T15:37:09.800-04:002015-07-20T15:37:09.800-04:00Wine "experts" cannot even tell the diff...Wine "experts" cannot even tell the difference between red and white if its hidden! <br /><br />http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276<br /><br />And that's true for eggs too >> http://www.seriouseats.com/.../what-are-the-best-eggs...<br /><br />And A 2006 study, published by the American Association of Wine Economists, found that most people can't distinguish between paté and dog food. >> http://www.wine-economics.org/workingpapers/AAWE_WP36.pdf<br />PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-5069131340525207252015-07-20T15:32:47.795-04:002015-07-20T15:32:47.795-04:00The opposite of research is anecdote. If you actu...The opposite of research is anecdote. If you actually read the links you will discover that NO ONE can tell the difference between free range, organic, etc.<br /><br />Not too surprising -- if there is any actual difference at all, humans will not likely be able to tasted it as we have weak taste buds, left over from when we lived off of muddy water, boiled leaves, and rotten meat.<br /><br />Most "taste" claims are actually bullshit, from wine to olive oil -- a fact that is widely documented.<br /><br />As with wine and olive oil, all of this has far less do with the what people can actually taste, and much more with what they want to think about themselves.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-4727314841366933352015-07-20T15:20:41.658-04:002015-07-20T15:20:41.658-04:00"we find eggs being sold for $7.49 a dozen. W..."we find eggs being sold for $7.49 a dozen. Why? These eggs taste exactly the same as those that sell for $2 a dozen or half again less than that."<br /><br />Are you saying all eggs are the same. Having my own hens roaming on a acre in west of Ireland, I can tell you, supermarket/factory produced crap cannot compare. <br /><br />It's like the difference between farmed Salmon and wild from the river. They are incomparable.<br /><br />Considering the quality of your blog, I'm surprised by your lack of taste on this subjects.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05027595395982063184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-65534168540882873822015-07-20T15:05:27.766-04:002015-07-20T15:05:27.766-04:00"" "Organic meat, poultry, eggs, a..."" "Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones."<br /><br />How is this humane? Once treated with modern medicines for being sick the animal is no longer organic (can't be sold at "organic prices"). It's more economical for producers to see if the animal can get healthy without treatment.""<br /><br />You should look into the organic principles and standards, of your area, to see if this statement is true.<br /><br />In Ireland, it is not true. Animals can be treated for sickness and still be classified as organic, with a declaration form submitted to the organic supervisory body.<br /><br />A difference between a organic herd and a regular herd is, all animals get treated to prevent any disease or illness whether or not they are sick, while organic animals get treated if a illness or disease occurs, thus limiting chemical exposure.<br /><br />Obviously some chemicals are out-lawed while some are tolerated under certain conditions.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05027595395982063184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-37014903371612613422015-07-20T12:54:34.151-04:002015-07-20T12:54:34.151-04:00My agreement with you continues on GMOs. They con...My agreement with you continues on GMOs. They concern me very little and the relief they have brought to millions is amazing.<br /><br />I have 99 problems with modern agriculture and the system of incentives we have created, but genetic modification is not one of them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11717846147473614618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-81257973271228431322015-07-20T09:01:53.077-04:002015-07-20T09:01:53.077-04:00For you chemophobes
Nature's chemicals and sy...For you chemophobes<br /><br />Nature's chemicals and synthetic chemicals: Comparative toxicology<br />http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7782.full.pdf<br />PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-46834782201554828752015-07-20T08:42:43.087-04:002015-07-20T08:42:43.087-04:00One big problem I have with organic meat productio...One big problem I have with organic meat production is producers are incentivized to not treat sick animals with modern medicines.<br /><br />"Organic meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products come from animals that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones."<br /><br />How is this humane? Once treated with modern medicines for being sick the animal is no longer organic (can't be sold at "organic prices"). It's more economical for producers to see if the animal can get healthy without treatment.<br /><br /><br />Chemicals made in a lab (exact same ones made by nature) are bad but chemicals made by nature are okay (asbestos, arsenic, aflatoxin, thujone, cyanide, 5-methoxypsoralen, phytohaemagglutinin, coumarin, 1-allyl-3,4-methylenedioxybenzene, etc). Cooking makes more chemicals from even "organic" foods (i.e. acrylamide, 1,3-dichloro-2-propanol, furan, nitrosodimethylamine, etc) but since they were made in the kitchen (or on the grill) and not a lab it's okay.PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-49061523329201078292015-07-20T08:28:09.903-04:002015-07-20T08:28:09.903-04:00I am less freaked out by how chickens are commerci...I am less freaked out by how chickens are commercially raised in part because I have raised chickens. <br /><br />Chickens are wonderfully interesting as groups, individuals, and for genetics, but they are also meals on heels and always have been. I have made my peace with that.<br /><br />Chickens are subject to every kind of horror all the time, and there is no stopping it, from rats eating chicks to chicks eating chicks, to hawk and fox and snake predation, to cat and dog predation, and from feather plucking to egg-eating. These are tropical birds we have engineered for daily egg and meat production. <br /><br />Does that mean we need to be gratuitously cruel? Of course not, even if chickens are gratuitously cruel to each other.<br /><br />That said, I am not convinced that giving chickens all the feed and water they want, keeping them warm and safe from predators, and killing them quickly is cruel. <br /><br />Are some of our breeding practices cruel? Yes, without a doubt. Birds that are so large they cannot stand, and flocks that have 15% heart attack rates due to massive breast production are wrong. If I was to focus on chicken welfare, that's where I would start. <br /><br />PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-20614190417398159802015-07-20T05:46:03.247-04:002015-07-20T05:46:03.247-04:00Dear Patrick,
I have reared, killed, plucked and e...Dear Patrick,<br />I have reared, killed, plucked and eaten my own chickens. I have visited local agribusiness poultry houses and "free range" operations with their tractor dragged mesh enclosures.<br /><br />My traditional chicken flock were best off. The agribusiness birds are so horribly treated I won't order chicken in a restaurant. "Free Range" isn't Free Range but either as story or reality it's a better life for the birds we eat. <br /><br />At one time or another I've reared chickens, turkeys, beef, hogs and lambs. Some I've killed myself, others I've sold for slaughter.<br /><br />Involved in the rich moral ambiguities of caring for, treasuring and finally killing animals, I often found myself citing the Bob Dylan line about "not making those who must be killed to crawl." <br /><br />Donald McCaigDonald McCaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890894628274998487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-69310183413104089912015-07-19T23:57:14.272-04:002015-07-19T23:57:14.272-04:00I wish I shared your conviction about conspiracies...I wish I shared your conviction about conspiracies- but as you imply in your instructions for commentary that's a subject for my own blog...Jeff T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01520811975339950553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-83555435652796744452015-07-19T22:40:02.881-04:002015-07-19T22:40:02.881-04:00Daniel: Yes, there are animal welfare concerns. ...Daniel: Yes, there are animal welfare concerns. They are a little weak, however, when you realize a broiler is dead at 7 weeks and won't go outside even when the door is open. But yes, animals deserve to be treated with respect.<br /><br />As for GMO, it's not that complex as William Saleten recently noted: anti-GMO folks are simply herding themselves along, lying at almost every turn, and simply ignoring sound science. These are anti-vaxxers, creationists, and flat earthers under a new name. These kind of folks will always be with us, because people have a need for conspiracies, from JFK and the grassy knoll to holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, and chem-trail woo-spinners. Here's Saletan's latest in SLATE. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.htmlPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-75774425459304175002015-07-19T14:40:00.301-04:002015-07-19T14:40:00.301-04:00OK - I want to start by saying I absolutely love y...OK - I want to start by saying I absolutely love your blog. And I truly respect your opinion on most postings. But you missed the boat here - big time! So - while this may sound rude - it is not intended that way. I am just amazed at how you have bought into the marketing hype of Monsanto!<br /><br />Wow! where to begin? I clearly get the 'marketing' hype when it comes to 'natural' foods. And while I wish that 'cage free' truly meant that hens can wander at will in open pastures, I know better. However, there is a 'real' meaning when it comes to 'organic' and 'non-GMO'. "organic" means that I am not contributing (at least with that particular food I am buying) to adding toxic, man-made chemicals to the soil and water of our environment; it means that I have less exposure to man-made toxic chemicals such as herbicides and pesticides; it means that I am not contributing to the degraded health of farm workers through their exposure to these chemicals that are all cancer-causing. I could go on at length, but I buy organic to reduce the toxic load in my system and to reduce the toxic load on our planet. <br /><br />As for GMO - a grafted tree is NOT a GMO food! A GMO food is one in which the GENES from another plant or animal are added to the target plant or animal. Sorry, but putting genes from a bacteria (e.g. Bacillus thuringiensi) into corn to protect against corn rootworm is a bit different than tree grafting, or even seed radiation! And the vast majority (if not all) "safety" tests for GMO foods are done by the big chemical manufacturers like Monsanto! Talk about HYPE! And those "safety" tests are done on rats for a mere 90 days. However, you and your future generations could/would be eating these GMO foods for 90 years - your enitre life! Can you say "cumulative effect"? Sorry - but I don't want to be a long-term experiment! <br /><br />Clearly this topic is far more complicated than my simple retort. <br /><br />You say: "there is big business to be made in selling woo and contrived provenance to the gullibles . . " You have been duped! You ARE the gullible soul buying those GMO foods that Monsanto insists are "safe". I think Monsanto is making a H&*% of alot more $$ selling you that "safe" GMO food than Whole Foods is making marketing to 'woo and provenance'. <br /><br />I think you need to stop being duped by Big Agra!<br /><br />Sincerely<br />Kelly kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278250848227402287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-80380147164854121462015-07-19T14:32:18.678-04:002015-07-19T14:32:18.678-04:00Stay out of whole foods and be skeptical of those ...Stay out of whole foods and be skeptical of those who cash in on a claim to provenance? Yes!<br /><br />But what do you think of the underlying concerns for animal welfare? Should our food systems take it into account? As an omnivore, would you think me a fool for raising/hunting my own meat and politely refusing the occasional offer of a frozen pizza because of concerns for animal welfare? <br /><br />I agree with your criticism of the marketing. I agree much of it is designed to separate fools from their money based upon sentiment. I remain concerned, however, about the ethical implications of our food system, have acted accordingly, and would be interested to read your thoughts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11717846147473614618noreply@blogger.com