tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post5097153951702097499..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: Cavaliers in the RiverPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-59381814330092037362015-03-10T18:34:03.160-04:002015-03-10T18:34:03.160-04:00This situation was unusual for many reasons:
1. T...This situation was unusual for many reasons:<br />1. They did not come from a puppy mill. Most were in excellent health. The situation was more like a breeder who degenerated into a hoarding situation due to severe health crisis among others issues.<br />2. A rogue group working as volunteers of CavalierRescus USA targeted this breeder and her dogs. These dogs - several of whom were of good lineage (including a breeder showing at Crufts this year who is STILL trying to get her dog back as a reputable breeder would - refer to story at http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/132074/34/breeder_battles_for_cavalier_after_us_auction_fiasco) were pawns in an expensive game. <br />3. The breeder was driven to send the dogs to auction through harassment. This was only part of her kennel. Rescue, not the rogue group, were able to get the rest of this breeders dogs - mostly bitches and puppies all in good condition - without the hoopla or auction - working behind the scenes to avoid issues.<br />4. The rogue group brought 46 of the dogs to AL under the auspices of the GBHS and kept several of the dogs for themselves after buying them with funds donated by people in the breed community and turned them all into rescue fails. There are actions now trying to get information, recoup dogs, and follow the money. As we all know, rescue fails is not what true rescue is about otherwise how would rescue keep helping dogs.<br />5. This rogue group used a NYC PR firm to help them whip up the community to raise money - once these dogs were out to auction their opportunity to get any of the dogs cheap was gone.CavalierRescue USA severed ties with these individuals because like the ORIGINAL breed club has high standards and is devoted to true rescue in the breed and rules were broken. They have since started their own 'rescue'. <br />6. So this group of dogs was a special situation in terms of rescue folks going to auction. We all hated the precedent it might set with millers and auctions but wanted to save this group of dogs. <br />7. As stated in another comment ALL of the dogs (with the exception of those who are still too young or are sick - but even one boy was neutered during a procedure to correct another issue) were neutered/spayed including the UK breeder's dog. Part of the goal was to prevent these dogs from producing further litters. <br />My apologies for this being so long but I wanted to help set the record straight. Yes I have two CKCS. But I also have a rescue mix and have always had rescue dogs. I want to be sure that rescues who partake in REAL rescue trying to help as many helpless animals as possible don't have their reputations and successes ruined by misconceptions or by misdeeds. Big Mammahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978045655457819056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-73911717966423987472014-12-09T14:18:16.147-05:002014-12-09T14:18:16.147-05:00Just as an aside--as someone who takes foster dogs...Just as an aside--as someone who takes foster dogs for a local breed-club-affiliated rescue, most of the dogs we see whose background we know,and who came from pet stores, are not AKC-registered. They are registered with the Continental <br />Kennel Club or WWKC or one of the other registries used to get around the chance of AKC inspection. Not an apologist for the AKC, just noting this.Norahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11579553846085801674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-89150638176472317762014-12-08T21:19:37.111-05:002014-12-08T21:19:37.111-05:00this is one of the saddest but most brilliantly co...this is one of the saddest but most brilliantly complete stories i have ever read... yes, we blew it with that auction... we set a standard that is going toput a boatload of over worked and over bred dogs into overtime...the core, the very heart of this is to ignore these auctions...yes i know , that is awful, but commerce is commerce and without the money of well meaning dog lovers the market will slow down... the very heart of this though is the very limited standards to which breeders must be held... i do not care if there are mass breeders, as long as the breeding stock is treated humanely... no auto feeders, no water bottles, no cages too small, no wire under their feet... decent vet care and temperature control... fresh air...we, as dog lovers, must come together about this... a new group REFORM CANINE BREEDERS AND AUCTIONS is starting and if we all work together... we can make a difference...please please... help us help the dogsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519644630153093766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-21196773626775644452014-12-07T00:05:01.429-05:002014-12-07T00:05:01.429-05:00If I was wrong, and I hope I was and you are right...If I was wrong, and I hope I was and you are right, then I apologize. I've been involved with rescuing too long not to be suspicious. All my dogs are rescues too and one, I got her from a pound, was not only not spayed but was too pregnant to spay when I got her. I guess I'm a suspicious old gal who hopes for the best and expects the worst. Sorry for my sharp tongue. <br /><br />Debi and the Jack Rats.seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054814598250286797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-63076030499030718082014-12-06T09:50:41.062-05:002014-12-06T09:50:41.062-05:00Seeker, I was there when some of those dogs came f...Seeker, I was there when some of those dogs came from auction. After checkups and blood work, they were neutered and spayed. This was the case unless the dog wasn't well enough to undergo the procedure. These dogs went into the care of several different groups. ALL went straight into veterinary care for care AND neuter and spaying. Including the youngest. No one considered these dogs appropriate as breeders especially because of where they came from. The vast majority of Cavalier owners know of the terrible results of in-breeding. Let me clarify one point in the blog, the person who sent these dogs to auction was not Amish. But, some of those there to bit on dogs were from Amish puppy mills. Thanks for addressing this issue. Those of us supporting rescue efforts support having intelligent conversations. Whether we agree or not,I'm confident that none of us would support the conditions of these mills. I would prefer the rules of the original CKCS club were still in place, even if it meant I couldn't afford to own one. BTW, I have two...both rescues.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09055574383727774103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-2123499694750356132014-12-06T08:48:23.454-05:002014-12-06T08:48:23.454-05:00@ seeker- I am almost 100% sure that ALL repeat AL...@ seeker- I am almost 100% sure that ALL repeat ALL of the 98 Cavaliers purchased by the rescues that day at the auction were neutered and spayed. Not one was bought to be bred. You can quote me on that.<br />Carol O'Toole<br />Founder- The Cavalier BrigadeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18257077755933501768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-29923657699849550102014-12-05T12:35:53.443-05:002014-12-05T12:35:53.443-05:00Read this one >> http://cynography.blogspot....Read this one >> http://cynography.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-clorox-kettle-is-back-on-stove.html<br />PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-23238365774298036552014-12-05T12:14:36.510-05:002014-12-05T12:14:36.510-05:00I am sure the rescues will S/N and try to place al...I am sure the rescues will S/N and try to place all, but it's a heculean task to place a litter of puppies, much less 96 adult, some of whom will have problems of one kind or another. And all placements have a "bounce rate" were the dog ends up somewhere else. In the end, it will not be pretty.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-38481520647565365692014-12-05T12:12:43.078-05:002014-12-05T12:12:43.078-05:00Thanks Rob -- I caught the typo on the cellphone a...Thanks Rob -- I caught the typo on the cellphone and came back to see you caught it before I did. Not sure if my brain mistyped due to 4 am fatigue, or if that was something I farked up while coding (which is to say **stripping out code** to get rid of the garbage that blogger sometimes adds for some reason).<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-71101672129416597562014-12-05T11:09:34.279-05:002014-12-05T11:09:34.279-05:00Hum, I wonder how many of those 'good' pe...Hum, I wonder how many of those 'good' people who rescued all those Spaniels immediately took them out to be neutered? Or did they breed them because they were so cute and also valuable on the open market.<br />The problems of pet population will never be solved with the heart. It must be done with the brain.<br />PS the Amish do the same thing with their horses. So much for quoting the bible about it.<br /><br />Debi and the Jack/Rat Pack<br /><br />seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054814598250286797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-75295140105223253802014-12-05T10:33:35.635-05:002014-12-05T10:33:35.635-05:00Let's also note that all of the people in this...<i>Let's also note that all of the people in this rescue effort had good contentions.</i><br /><br />Well, their <i>intentions</i> may have been good, but the <i>contention</i> (or perhaps, slightly more accurately, belief) that this would solve the problem of puppymilled King Charles Cavaliers from that one breeder was clearly flawed.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18015219452269186971noreply@blogger.com