tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post4826333162089622587..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: True TerriersPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-54042072995672009872022-05-23T15:57:00.512-04:002022-05-23T15:57:00.512-04:00I've handled a lot of Airedales and hounds, an...I've handled a lot of Airedales and hounds, and Dales do not work or behave like hounds. Their approach is completely different (in the U.S. anyway)and if you try to work a Dale as you would a blue tick hound...you're not getting far. I've said this before, the folks who labeled them as such were referring to temperament and disposition not size or function to the exclusion of all else. People have semantic disagreements about cataloguing and labeling frequently, and that's fine. Not everyone groups birds by beak types and food source, either. The Russians who began the BRT breeding programs absolutely were going for a temperament possessed by terriers more so than any other breed, so that label fit especially considering the translation. That's why the Airedale was part of the foundation, they bred true for temperament. Their quarry was never intended to be below ground. Then again, Airedales quarry wasn't below ground either, but along river's edge. Water dogs are hardly ever small in size for obvious reasons.lucypup2009@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008801803433422853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-61485109496032796002017-12-19T17:18:40.871-05:002017-12-19T17:18:40.871-05:00A 20 pound dog can go to ground in the right locat...A 20 pound dog can go to ground in the right location and will if entered systematically. See “American Working Terriers” on how to do that. PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-64337313088704944882013-10-09T12:47:29.004-04:002013-10-09T12:47:29.004-04:00Debi, It's not my youth, it's my current. ...Debi, It's not my youth, it's my current. My Rat is an incredible ratter, mouser, squirreler, rabitter, snaker, cooner, I could go on, we have lots of er's. He does not, however, go to ground. He leaves that to my JRT/Corgi cross. <br />His mother, grandmother and great grandmother, all working ranch rats, shared the same talents and failings. His father is a feist, I can't vouch for him.<br />He is an awesome cattle dog. At twenty pounds (explains his reluctance to ground?)he will hold, drive, work a nose or a heel. Not his calling, but being exactly what my dad says his rat terriers were, good farm dogs, he does the work I need him to do. You should see him load a trailer full of reluctant steers! Mugwumpmugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-23633326176646883802013-10-03T09:14:26.360-04:002013-10-03T09:14:26.360-04:00OK then. In continuing my back reading and educati...OK then. In continuing my back reading and education, I now understand my rat terrier is not a terrier at all. I even accept it since neither he, his relatives, or most of his close friends will go to ground.<br />What is he then? A lurcher? A hound?<br />My education continues.<br /><br /><br />mugwumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00319060800328355056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-45203567092221876032011-12-05T19:12:42.667-05:002011-12-05T19:12:42.667-05:00Raegan, it occurs to me that you might not know th...Raegan, it occurs to me that you might not know the true history of the dog called the Tibetan Terrier. <br /><br />Here's a start for a true history >> http://books.google.com/books?id=fJ1copqUhbIC&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=Bhuteer+Terrier&source=bl&ots=jot9Fruu1v&sig=2ZbL6mWokeUpH3uobBi6SlQu6rM&hl=en&ei=HfEQTIPrPMWblgeY3IDsBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=Bhuteer%20Terrier&f=false<br /> <br />This dog showed up in the UK in the 1920s and in the US in the 1950s).<br /> <br />Since the Tibetans do not recognize "breeds" as the KC and AKC knows them (narrow standards, closed registries, etc.) one is left wondering when did a Lhasa Apso become and Tibetan Terrier vs a Tibetan Spaniel? <br /> <br />In fact, as the breed club more-or-less admits, this "breed" was invented in the West around the turn of the 20th Centur, based on looks alone. Dogs in the same litter would be deemed to be Lhasa Apso or Tibetan Terriers based on coat type (this was previously done for many other breeds based on ears up or down, etc). <br /> <br />How big was the registry before it was closed? Twenty dogs? Forty?<br /><br />Of course, as you will find out if you research, the Lhasa Apso, the Tibetan Terrier and the Tibetan Spaniel are all from the same lap dog stock and not too differentiated in Tibet.<br /><br />As noted in this report from 1904 (http://www.lhasa-apso.org/articles/origins/1930.html ) <br /><br />"There are Tibetan Terriers as large as Russian Poodles, and have others almost as small as Maltese. A few would appear to have Terrier instincts, but many have the habits of the large dog of Tibet. The Lhasa Terrier has now (i.e.:1900) found a foothold in India and is bred there, though not in considerable numbers. At one time it was only to be obtained in its purity at Lhasa, and the breed was once, it is said, jealously guarded by the Bhuddist priests. But, traders finding a demand among the dog loving public of India, contrived to convey specimens to Leh and Kashmir, westward, and to Darjeeling, eastward. Of these little creatures there are to be two contrary types, the terrier and the spaniel. At the Muree (an Indian Hill Station, bordering Kashmir) dog show of September 1900, there was for the first time a separate class granted for this breed, and both types were conspicuously represented. The terrier type (though all Tibetan dogs have the tail curling strongly over the back), strongly resembles the Skye Terrier."<br /><br />So, to put a point on it, the Tibetan Terrier, Tibetan Spaniel and Lhasa Apso are all the same thing, show in the same show, interbred, and simply classed and differentiated and created by show ring folks. <br /><br />Of course, this happens all the time. The English Bulldog a terrier? Not a chance! And yet there are people who will tell you that the TRUE bulldog (the Pit Bull) is one. Not true at all. And so it goes.... the point of the article. Read it again, and I think you will see I got it right!<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-9177809766432697762011-12-05T18:48:36.957-05:002011-12-05T18:48:36.957-05:00Raegan, I encourage you to read the post again as ...Raegan, I encourage you to read the post again as you seem to have lost the thread.<br /><br />Words mean something, and as a general rule we follow the dictionary. <br /><br />You can call a dog anything you want, but its performance and history tell you what it actually IS and how it came to be. <br /><br />Sorry this seems to be such a hard idea for you, but I assure you I did not write the dictionary. And YES, a Tibetan Terrier IS a kind of spaniel and I do not have to clip off any part of the dictionary definition of that word to make my point.<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-27258530144273269912011-12-04T20:56:40.479-05:002011-12-04T20:56:40.479-05:00"a breed of dog with a long silky coat and dr..."a breed of dog with a long silky coat and drooping ears"<br /><br />So is this a spaniel, or a pointer: <br />http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Es_b_JKhNBU/TMbq561uQ1I/AAAAAAAADPc/V0RpCSWOPa0/s1600/Brittanyadult7.jpg<br /><br />What about this:<br />http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images20/WeimaranerLonghairedPanuZumLaubwald.JPG<br /><br />Or this:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afghan-Hound.jpg<br /><br />Oxford Dictionary defines Dalmatian as "a dog of a white, short- haired breed with dark spots." (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/Dalmatian?region=us) Does that mean this is a Dalmatian: http://pitbullspictures.net/Black-And-White-Pitbull.jpg<br /><br />What is a better definer of a dog, what he does, or what a book says he is?Raeganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993187206192547252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-29366853389584843242011-11-27T11:08:50.344-05:002011-11-27T11:08:50.344-05:00Sorry Raegan, but it seems you do not know what a ...Sorry Raegan, but it seems you do not know what a spaniel is "a breed of dog with a long silky coat and drooping ears". Consult your Oxford English Dictionary or any other. A flushing dog is not necessarily a spaniel, and a spaniel is not necessarily a flushing dog. Lap spaniels are a very old type.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-48607406664422539502011-11-26T20:52:34.620-05:002011-11-26T20:52:34.620-05:00"A true terrier is defined by the work it doe..."A true terrier is defined by the work it does, same as a true collie or a true bird dog is defined by the work it does.... Going down the list, we have the Tibetan Terrier which is not a terrier (it is a spaniel)."<br /><br />Spaniel? What? No Tibetan Terrier has flushed birds any more than Tibetan Spaniels have flushed birds. The Tibetan Terrier Club of America says right at the top of their website "We are not terriers but we are from Tibet." TT's have never been advertised as any kind of working dog; they are companion dogs.Raeganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993187206192547252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-35224294274429875262011-11-25T13:40:21.068-05:002011-11-25T13:40:21.068-05:00In the sick and twisted world of the AKC, a breed ...In the sick and twisted world of the AKC, a breed is usually defined by a tortuous description of what it looks like. Never mind if it can walk, run, breath or get along with anything two or four-legged.<br /><br />My breed is the Border Collie, which, when speaking of working lines, has been diparaged as a "mere type" and not a breed at all. Jeez! Considering the AKC definition of "breed", I fervently hope the working Border Collie is and remains a "type" - the type that gets the stockwork done. And screw what color, length of hair and size he has/is.geonni bannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698766164965033468noreply@blogger.com