tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post2698529948934898732..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: Are There Dead Dogs and Cats in Dog Food?PBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-87763716869646447232014-10-19T11:34:02.123-04:002014-10-19T11:34:02.123-04:00For what it's worth, I would watch a bullfight...For what it's worth, I would watch a bullfight to see the matador get gored.. I root for the bulls in the running of the bulls, and always cheer when some idiot gets smashed, trampled and gored, Score one for the bovine!Labellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493001429367388513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-20118486681701092102010-09-01T14:17:55.339-04:002010-09-01T14:17:55.339-04:00Gina, no hard feelings.
I am use to BOTH sides ta...Gina, no hard feelings.<br /><br />I am use to BOTH sides taking issues with me.<br /><br />Long ago, I had a friend nag at me for 'spoiling' my pets, and babying them.<br /><br />At the same time, some else who knew me well, nagged at me to take better care of my pets (not to put an unhousebroken pet in a crate when I went out).<br /><br />I talked to both of them, and they both truely had different opinions of how I was with my pets.<br /><br />I have opinions. They are based on MY experiences and what other's have told me. I like to believe that this makes my opinions good - but other people's opinions can be more correct than mine sometimes.<br /><br />Go ahead and comment on my comments, and don't worry.<br /><br />Generally I have a thick skin. But beware, I comment back sometimes too, not to be mean, just to voice my opinion.<br /><br />And how can anyone learn and make their own opinions more factual if they only read those who already agree with them?<br /><br />It is through the synthesis of right and left opinions that we learn of the existance of up and down points of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-55000912103165438812010-09-01T13:29:01.160-04:002010-09-01T13:29:01.160-04:00Heather, I apologize for my assumptions regarding ...Heather, I apologize for my assumptions regarding you. You obviously have more than a sound-bite knowledge of these issues. No, you didn't "strike a raw nerve" -- I'm just much more used to dealing with people who haven't a clue what they're talking about, but have an opinion anyway. <br /><br />I suspect from your follow-up comments that were we in the same room we'd have an engaging, intelligent discussion.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06269415397411374828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-36783124660560246942010-08-31T15:55:21.876-04:002010-08-31T15:55:21.876-04:00People BELIEVED that they could use a shortcut to ...People BELIEVED that they could use a shortcut to choosing dogs for breeding stock.<br /><br />Why have to go out with each hunter to see and experience for yourself if their dogs were any good at hunting, <br /><br />when you can have dozens of hunters all bring their dogs to one field and IN ONE DAY'S TIME watch all the dogs work at an artificial 'test',<br /><br />and then why bother to stand around all day, watching dogs 'hunt' a pasture for planted birds, when you can just learn about conformation and pedigrees, and then judge the best formed purebred dogs at a glance,<br /><br />and why then, bother to learn about conformation, gait, and all the details, when a judge can do that for you, and all you have to do is read a show win record?<br /><br />But something got lost along the way didn't it?<br /><br />Or maybe all that remote judging method is fine, and "it must be the dog food" that prevents the neighbor's hunting dog from hunting well, and causes him to have a burr-magnet for a coat.<br /><br />Think that if the owner changes dog food brands, that a show bulldog will grow longer legs and muzzle, and be able to bulls?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-5407667470977667052010-08-31T15:39:12.007-04:002010-08-31T15:39:12.007-04:00And in science isn't being wrong a given?
Yea...And in science isn't being wrong a given?<br /><br />Yeah, I know that that sounds like a contradiction in terms, but bare with me.<br /><br />I remember the first lecture, based on the first chapter of a science book, years ago.<br /><br />It said that science is based on a series of paradigms. <br /><br />Today you might same that the core of any scientific theory is based on a series of verisimiltudes.<br /><br />I would say it this way:<br />"If I say that it is August, and I am right, just wait.<br /><br />"And if you say that it is September, and you are right, just wait.<br /><br />"Scientific theories try to get 'righter' and righter.<br /><br />"But just as you understand the new truths, and can't understand why some people can't take up the new view, just wait, some day you will have to drop your older theories for newer ones."<br /><br />Hopefully, you pick the right new path, not a dead end.<br /><br />And so with the ideas of dog breeding. Some of the methods are NOt bring the desired results, and the sustainability of the whole of the current method is debateable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-63533763688659443202010-08-31T15:24:36.047-04:002010-08-31T15:24:36.047-04:00Patrick, back to the philosophical discussion on f...Patrick, back to the philosophical discussion on fact vs belief - that dicotomy is true in many things in the real world, isn't it?<br /><br />Like dog shows? Like the opinion of what makes a good dog? <br /><br />Is a "good dog" one that hunts well? One that is good with the kids, and no bother in the house?<br /><br />Or is "good dog" one with just the right type of nose fold, and the biggest skull for his size?<br /><br />In a way, haven't some dog show people TRIED to make their shows seem like they are science based?<br /><br />All the psudo-analisis of gait, as if we ride our dogs... <br /><br />All the 'reasons' why a breed must have this or that odd trait... <br /><br />Does anyone anymore just say "We breed dogs with this deformity because the club gives ribbons for it, and I want to win a ribbon"?<br /><br />In other words, aren't so many dog people failing to say; <br />"This is what type of dog I want to breed." <br />and instead, they are saying: <br />"This is the best type of dog" <br />and then speaking some mumbo jumbo about a good dog is one with (whatever their dogs are).<br /><br />They are stating opinion as fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-86650379972828641262010-08-31T15:20:31.062-04:002010-08-31T15:20:31.062-04:00YesBiscuit --
I explain the life stages and life...YesBiscuit -- <br /><br />I explain the life stages and lifespan of the heartworm in my original Heartworm post on this blog. <br /><br />The short story is that there is a "prepatent period" for Dirofilaria immitis which is about three months long in which the dog does NOT have heartworm and is entirely asymptomatic (no symptoms). <br /><br />A single dose of Ivermectin at any time during this period kills all infestation and is a complete "reset" on the dog, so once every two or three months is a good conservative regime (I update the post to 2-2 months in an abudance of caution). <br /><br />As they note at >> http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=610<br /><br />"The new arrival heartworm larvae, delivered from mosquito bites in the last 6 to 7 months. These are L3 and L4 larvae living in the skin (having arrived within the last 3 months). These will continue their maturation and repopulate the heart and pulmonary arteries if they are not killed before the adult worms. ...Happily, the microfilariae, L3, and L4 larvae can all be killed by monthly ivermectin-based heartworm preventive products (i.e. Heartgard®, Tri-Heart® etc.)....Ivermectin does kill L3 and L4 larvae (preventing new infections). <br /><br />As they note at >> http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_heartworm_prevention.html they note:<br /><br />"Heartworm preventive medications are used to periodically kill larval heartworms that have managed to gain access to the dog’s body. At this point, the products available are intended for monthly use. This means that they kill all the heartworm larvae (stage “L3” and “L4”) that have accumulated in the past month each time they are given."<br /><br />Ivermectin actually kills very young L5 as well, but let's be cautious!<br /><br />P.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-14880681039193151422010-08-31T14:56:19.671-04:002010-08-31T14:56:19.671-04:00Gina, did I touch a raw nerve? Sorry.
I'm NOT...Gina, did I touch a raw nerve? Sorry.<br /><br />I'm NOT a vegan, but you seem very anti-vegetarian, why?<br /><br />Can't you just say: "Fine, don't eat meat, that means more affordable meat for me"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-9644498592455019542010-08-31T14:49:30.709-04:002010-08-31T14:49:30.709-04:00Gina, Did I touch upon a raw nerve? Sorry.
No I&#...Gina, Did I touch upon a raw nerve? Sorry.<br /><br />No I'm NOT a vegan, nor am I a lone carnivor in a vagan herd.<br /><br />But I like animals, and I believe that even farm animals should be well treated; making animals suffer is wrong, just like making people suffer is wrong.<br /><br />What a famous pirate said about themselves could also be applied to livestock: "A short life but a merry one". <br /><br />No reason that farm animals can't have a good life, then a quick and painless death. Better that than a short painful life, and a bad death.<br /><br />As for the very near future:<br /><br />Throughout most of history, nearly all people killed animals for food. Not just butchers, but everybody: the farmers, the shop owner with a few acres, soldiers on the move, nearly everybody,<br /><br />but now, we have professional animal killers, and processed foods, so we have many people who know more about the moon than they do their own coutry's agriculture.<br /><br />And the generation after this one? Do you guess the tide will turn? <br /><br />Or isn't it more likely that the babies of today will mature to be even more removed from raising animals, then killing, cleaning, cooking, and eating them?<br /><br />And do we really even want a population taught to care for animals then kill them?<br /><br />Yesterday's value's wont match up well with the dense population of cities, and the poverty of unemployment in a sinking economy. <br /><br />We need more empathy in people, not less.<br /><br />My guess is that up to the point of our numbers reaching a certain threshold, people will be more grossed out by the details of animal agriculture.<br /><br />But at some point, it could be possible that watching live feed of slaughter houses could become a popular entertainment. <br /><br />Haven't people been saying that movies, TV, and videos have been getting more and more gruesome?<br /><br />FAIK, the day could come where slaughter houses will make animals more frightened and suffering just to get a better rating with the type of person who would like to watch such a thing.<br /><br />But, at the same time, such broadcast would have a strong backlash, and I would guess, that the majority would put down slaughter for entertainment - at least in the US. <br /><br />But what is the motivation behind watching a bullfight? Isn't it watching a bull get stabbed to death?<br /><br />And what of pit bull fight videos, isn't that watching a violent bloody encounter set up by people?<br /><br />Maybe future generation will go that way? <br /><br />There was a movie, idiotcratcy? idocracy? idiot- or idio- something, about 2 people in the future - a future when people have dis-evolved into stupidity. It's a comedy.<br /><br />Maybe future life wont be so much stupid as brutal? <br /><br />But we don't have to wait and see what the future brings, WE MAKE THE FUTURE.<br /><br />And I'd rather err on the side of empathy and kindness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-55449132951108068412010-08-31T14:19:56.050-04:002010-08-31T14:19:56.050-04:00"And you are probably feeding this poison to ..."And you are probably feeding this poison to your dog every month regardless of outside temperature and despite the fact that a monthly dosing of insecticide is not needed to control heartworm (once every three months will do the job)."<br /><br />Do you have a source for this? I'm very interested in the once every 3 months idea!YesBiscuit!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13827466504671715047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-71565158321584429182010-08-31T13:16:35.032-04:002010-08-31T13:16:35.032-04:00I get no remuneration from Purina, they have not c...I get no remuneration from Purina, they have not called, and they do not even give me coupons.<br /><br />Ungrateful bastards. ; )<br /><br />But you know something? I would work for Purina. I really would. <br /><br />But NO, I do not insist everyone believes as I believe. We keep a big tent here at Terrierman.com<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-77129678618791905662010-08-31T12:59:14.717-04:002010-08-31T12:59:14.717-04:00'If that happens dogs could become a rarer spe...'If that happens dogs could become a rarer species because many people would switch to pet rabbits rather than say "Kill THAT steer for my dog's food."<br /><br />Considering the very, very small percentage of people who self-identify as vegans and the number of people who would be OK with eating meat if the animals were humanely and sustainably raised ... well, you might find MORE people owning dogs, not fewer. <br /><br />Really, Heather, taking a poll of people who share the same belief-system you do may make you feel better, but it's hardly indicative of what others believe. <br /><br />As for your drum-beating for Purina et al, Patrick, well, you know we'll have to agree to disagree. :)Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06269415397411374828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-26291652371505143812010-08-29T22:16:59.966-04:002010-08-29T22:16:59.966-04:00Just to pile on the ooooog-factor a little more, a...Just to pile on the ooooog-factor a little more, a while back I heard on some NPR show (don't ask which one, my mind is like a sieve) that every time you smell a person's fart you inhale a little bit of them. Do you know what that's done to my head when I take trips to Wal-Mart?<br /><br />Seahorse ;)Seahorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133454380103294333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-79126916209596571982010-08-29T20:57:52.443-04:002010-08-29T20:57:52.443-04:00I agree, but the point I was trying to make is tha...I agree, but the point I was trying to make is that none of us can know for a fact what is in dog food - unless one of us actually is involved in the dog food factory. <br /><br />So we both only believe what has been in dog food.<br /><br />Maybe someday all privacy will be gone, and every factory will have each step of their manufacturing on the internet, and we can follow a shipment of dog food back through the slaughter house and back to it's birth.<br /><br />If that happens dogs could become a rarer species because many people would switch to pet rabbits rather than say "Kill THAT steer for my dog's food".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-22696295018799712582010-08-29T19:38:51.106-04:002010-08-29T19:38:51.106-04:00Just to make a small but important point, but &quo...Just to make a small but important point, but "belief" is not fact, and <br />"fact" is not belief/<br /><br />Fact :: <br />1)something that actually exists; reality; <br />2. something known to exist or to have happened;<br />3. a truth known by actual experience or observation.<br /><br /><br />Belief :: <br />1) something believed; an opinion or conviction;<br />2 confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof;<br />3) confidence; faith; <br />4) a religious tenet or tenets;<br /><br />And NO, fact often cannot change belief, which is why religion is generally immune to science.<br /><br />P<br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-43393092855851456552010-08-29T18:49:39.606-04:002010-08-29T18:49:39.606-04:00You believe that 1,000 years from now, your atoms ...You believe that 1,000 years from now, your atoms will still be being recycled into life forms.<br /><br />Other people believe that a giant space rock will smash into Earth, and kill off that life which you believe will be eating you.<br /><br />We all believe whatever we believe.<br /><br />I believe that at one time, dead pets were processed into chicken feed.<br /><br />Maybe I was mistaken, maybe not.<br /><br />I also believe that SOME of what passes as science, is really an attempt to justify some group's beliefs, for example, I don't believe in the big bang theory.<br /><br />That's one of the dangers of being a somewhat indepenant thinker - when you are wrong, you are wrong alone, instead of wrong along with the majority.<br /><br />One of my uncles quoted some piece of science about there being 2 types of errors of belief:<br /><br />1. to believe in something which is not real,<br /><br />2. to believe that a true fact is fiction.<br /><br />We all make some errors, especially in areas where the truth can not be known.<br /><br />You believe that no dead dogs or cats enter our, or the pet feed food chain. <br /><br />I am not so certain; I admit to not knowing. Nor do I know if it would be better to use already dead animal bodies, or to just bury them; it is a compicated question, isn't it?<br /><br />But we both seem to agree that people have failed to see the obvious problems with how dogs are bred in our country.<br /><br />Drink you cat piss, I'll drink my coffee. <br /><br />But I still enjoy your blog, even though I have my own beliefs, and no, I don't do science experiments, I have to read other people's results.<br /><br />Your believe in the facts you have read, and the experiences you have had, I have had different experience and read different people's words, so of course, we will never agree perfectly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-26005315574565819412010-08-29T18:13:29.016-04:002010-08-29T18:13:29.016-04:00Heather, in science, you do not make extraordinary...Heather, in science, you do not make extraordinary claims and demand that others prove them wrong. <br /><br />That's what religions do.<br /><br />Science is the opposite of religion; it says that extraordinary claims require at least some proof. <br /><br />But here, there is NO PROOF.<br /><br />None. Zero. Nyet. Empty set.<br /><br />And people have been looking for a loooong time.<br /><br />Of course, you are free to believe whatever you want. <br /><br />People believe in fairies, and they believe in Scientology, and they believe in Moth Man and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. <br /><br />There is nothing to do about that, and I am not even trying. <br /><br />That said, I would point out that it is very easy to find out what happens to euthanized animals. <br /><br />The City of Los Angeles, for example, spends $100,000 a year putting them in land fills where they rot. Use the Google and you will see I am right.<br /><br />Some other places sell them to independent rendering plants where they are turned into industrial grease, car wax, candles and the like, as noted in this piece. <br /><br />Read up on rending plants (there is a national association for the rendering industry, and they also have a public directory of plants and also a monthly magazine) and you will find that most independent plants (i.e. plants that are not affiliated with a species-specific slaughter house) are running dual lines for food and nonfood purposes.<br /><br />There are not that many rendering plants any more, and those that do exist are mostly slaughter-house offshoots that specialize in beef, chicken or hogs.<br /><br />Independent rendering facilities are sufficiently rare that most communities have to put their dead animals in the local land fill or pay for their incineration. Roadkill, however, may be dumped in a little visited location for fox and other carnivores to prey on -- see >> http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2004/12/what-horror-is-this.html for a picture of what that looks like right outside of Washington, D.C.<br /><br />Of course, rotting animals put into landfills go into the groundwater which (gasp!) people drink.<br /><br />Oh. My. God !!!!!!!<br /><br />But humans rot too, and they also go into the ground water, and they have for millions of years. <br /><br />This is the Circle of Life.<br /><br />Shit and urine goes into the fields and the rivers and we pick fruit from those fields and drink from those rivers. <br /><br />Fine stuff fruit and water!<br /><br />Some of the farms where I hunt are former Civil War battlefields, and no doubt when I pluck a soybean off a plant, and pop it in my mouth, I am also swallowing a tiny little bit of heroic humanity as well.<br /><br />Of course, I wash it down with urine. <br /><br />Over the eons, there is no water that has not passed through a fish, a deer, a worm, a mouse, a frog, or a fox.<br /><br />So, when it gets down to it, we are all eating shit and urine all the time. No big deal.<br /><br />In fact, everything is recycled. <br /><br />You and I will be too. <br /><br />Someday, a hundred years, or a thousand years after we are dead, someone will swallow some little bit of us that has become a berry or a piece of wheat or an apple. And then they will shit us out, and the whole circle will start again.<br /><br />Hardly scarey stuff, is it? But if can be made scarey. <br /><br />Did you know those vegetables you are eating were fertilized with SHIT! Oh. My. God!<br /><br />P.PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-1409732158642751402010-08-29T17:15:00.286-04:002010-08-29T17:15:00.286-04:00Oh, here's the link to the above:
http://pets...Oh, here's the link to the above:<br /><br />http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/pet-treaty/message/119<br /><br />And I love your post - it MUST be the dog food, because we just couldn't have gone out of our way to buy an inbred deformed sickly dog just because we like the image of it!<br /><br />If you weren't already Terrierman, you could be Ironyman. Really great post, nothing shows reality as it is better than humor!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-85283293130301831602010-08-29T17:02:00.493-04:002010-08-29T17:02:00.493-04:00What does happen to all the tons of dead dogs and ...What does happen to all the tons of dead dogs and cats?<br /><br />I don't see miles of full pet cemetaries. I did read about using dead cats for bio-diesel.<br /><br />Are dead pets still being used for chicken feed? Read message 119 "silent green" of the yahoogroup "pet-treaty".<br /><br />Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that it is not real. Dope is illegal, but it is real.<br /><br />If dead pets are free, then someone will want to make money off that free resource, wheather it's selling them to restaurants, animal feed, or fur coats.<br /><br />If I called a dog pound, would they give me free dead dogs, or pay me to haul them away, or are the dead animals sold?<br /><br />They don't vanish, the dead bodies go somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-20132343134563421372010-08-29T16:51:34.148-04:002010-08-29T16:51:34.148-04:00Not finding something, and having something not be...Not finding something, and having something not be there, are 2 different things.<br /><br />That the government did not find dead dog or cat meat in pet food doesn't mean that it isn't there, only that it was not found.<br /><br />If dead cats and dead dogs were made into chicken feed, then the dogs were fed chicken parts, then could you say that the dogs were fed dogs although secondhandedly?<br /><br />See the yahoogroup pet-treaty, message 119, silent green.<br /><br />Also, I have read about possible dead pets in dog food from another country - might not some people feed imported dog food, or dog food made from imported feed items?<br /><br />And just because something is illegal doesn't mean it isn't real. Dope is illegal, but it's real.<br /><br />Where do the tons of dead dogs and cats go? Are they buried? Creamated then the ashes scattered on a hill top? Or are the bodies sold?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-86863767789399975902010-08-29T12:34:32.183-04:002010-08-29T12:34:32.183-04:00I will add this to the dog food discussion: I don&...I will add this to the dog food discussion: I don't buy food or treats made in China. <br /><br />It might not say "made in China" <br />it might say "distributed by ..."<br />with no mention of China at all. <br /><br />When the huge dog and cat food scandal hit, I stopped feeding my pets food that I couldn't trace the providence (and yes, I may still be naive), after the baby formula scandal hit, I try to avoid any food item made in China. <br /><br />If they don't care to provide oversight to protect their children, why would they care about anything?Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15597630887713954960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-6635582332262434252010-08-29T12:10:30.831-04:002010-08-29T12:10:30.831-04:00Daggone. The Sabbath is no kind of time to be buzz...Daggone. The Sabbath is no kind of time to be buzz-killing my Chupacabra fears. <br /><br />SeahorseSeahorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133454380103294333noreply@blogger.com