tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post1853818686319529154..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: Caroline Kisko May Not Be a Liar ...PBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-55409181722299896422008-11-23T10:41:00.000-05:002008-11-23T10:41:00.000-05:00By definition, mutts and mongrels are always going...By definition, mutts and mongrels are always going to be dogs bred outside of any organized breeding scheme. That said, in the US today most "mutts" are actually two purebreed crosses. For example, a friend of mine just adopted a REALLY cute little dog that is one of 11 puppies born to a beagle. Who is the dad? From the looks of things, most likely a black and tan dachshund. Whether the dog misses on any genetic problems is a hit and miss, but one thing is in the pups favor: this is a real outcross to two different gene pools. What is not known is what either gene pool actually looked like.<BR/><BR/>PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-53516572743439165742008-11-23T06:13:00.000-05:002008-11-23T06:13:00.000-05:00We can start addressing design issues in mongrels,...We can start addressing design issues in mongrels, mutts and crossbreeds now by developing a set of breed standards, except I guess you wouldn't call it a BREED standard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-75443091204313839992008-11-21T20:13:00.000-05:002008-11-21T20:13:00.000-05:00Ms Kisko is just 'spinning' for the public, most o...Ms Kisko is just 'spinning' for the public, most of whom know jack about dogs, animal welfare, etc.<BR/><BR/>You'd be amazed at the nonsense people will believe these days, especially about dogs.<BR/><BR/>The KC probably figures everybody will accept that breeders of mutts are just as guilty of harming dogs as the extreme dog snobs are.<BR/><BR/>It kind of tells you how dense they must be if they think the rest of us will fall for it.Caveathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712858257904194590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-73657088118220705982008-11-20T07:15:00.000-05:002008-11-20T07:15:00.000-05:00Thanks for all the great recent posts. I think so...Thanks for all the great recent posts. <BR/><BR/>I think some of the fear of outcrossing by conformation showers is that they think it will improve the dogs health wise but ruin all their hard work in terms of establishing good conformation (I am not speaking about the people who's hard work has been towards establishing deformed conformation). <BR/><BR/>I was talking with a top breeder of standard schnauzers about outcrossing purebred dogs and she told me about breeders of German pinschers in Finland ourcrossing to schnauzers. (In the 1800's the two breeds were the smooth and wire coated version of the same dog and were born in the same litters.) <BR/><BR/>Apparently the German Pinschers trace back to 10 or less dogs. Von Willebrands disease runs rampant and other diseases are probably bubling their way to the surface too. German Pinscher people are about as breed obsessed as any group can be. However, a group of die hard breeders in Finland decided to outcross with Schnauzers in order to widen the gene pool and to improve the shoulder angles in their dogs. After 3 generations or so no one can tell the difference between a dog that still traces to the original 10 and one that has a bit of schnauzer in it--except that the ones with Schnauzer blood are healther and have better conformation. It wasn't clear me from the conversation whether the breed club in Finland will register the 3rd generation dogs as purebred yet or not.<BR/><BR/>I have heard of similar outcross projects (maybe even here) such as English Setters to Dalmations to get back some gene related to the urinary tract or something, Corgies to Boxers to get a naturally docked tail, etc. I would love to see someone (maybe even you) write a nice article about how ourcrossing can bring great things to the table and will not ruin a breed in terms of predictable looks, coat color and texture, temperment, size, or showring conformation. Outcrossing can improve genetic diversity and superficial things simulaneously and the breed is be back to better than ever in about 3-4 generations.an American in Copenhagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02376814061414234426noreply@blogger.com