tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post1689978079852698982..comments2024-03-26T22:16:26.572-04:00Comments on Terrierman's Daily Dose: The Limits and Strengths of E-CollarsPBurnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-38378251323502143612011-09-07T13:59:55.922-04:002011-09-07T13:59:55.922-04:00Well said!
PWell said! <br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-11705259034091786062011-09-07T13:54:29.477-04:002011-09-07T13:54:29.477-04:00I use e-collars on my JRT'S. There are a great...I use e-collars on my JRT'S. There are a great tool if used properly!!! My dogs are almost always off lead as it is necessary to give the dogs the exercise they need. I have 2 collars and 2 remotes because there is no way you turn a switch from dog to dog and have a different correction level for each dog. They only receive a low tickle to break their concentration when necessary which is rare. My dogs jump up and down with excitement when I turn the collars on!! My thinking is that if you are not willing to try the correction on YOURSELF you should not be using it on your dog!!!workem hard treatem like heroeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397970877074909599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-34068103700273583052011-08-27T21:05:23.349-04:002011-08-27T21:05:23.349-04:00Sure. Please post the link too.
PSure. Please post the link too.<br /><br />PPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-87933586149559602272011-08-27T14:50:49.627-04:002011-08-27T14:50:49.627-04:00Amazing comment. Permission to repost?Amazing comment. Permission to repost?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-33120510834560451842011-08-27T08:35:15.960-04:002011-08-27T08:35:15.960-04:00Donald McCaig tried to post this but the Blogger p...Donald McCaig tried to post this but the Blogger program failed him (and us), so I am putting it up for him. Perfect sense from Donald, as usual:<br /><br /><br />---------- Forwarded message ----------<br />From: Donald McCaig <br />Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 5:51 AM<br />Subject: ecollars<br /><br /><br />Dear Patrick,<br /> <br />The ecollar/shock collar can be a useful tool. In some circumstances it is the tool of choice. Detractors forget that before ecollars hunters' preferred tool to break dogs of running "trash" was "The #9 correction":Number nine shot, four hundred yards, open choke. Whatever you think about ecollars, they don't blind dogs.<br /> <br />I own two ecollars, have used them, and, in special circumstances would use them again.<br /> <br />That said: Letting a dog ignorant owner buy them one off the shelf is like giving a teenage boy a Ferrari - it isn't exactly illegal but nothing good is likely to come of it.<br /> <br />The ecollar trainers I know (and admire) have studied its use, attended seminars and/or been mentored. Most (not all) are superb dog trainers without the device. They know how to read dogs and have excellent timing. Their pupils are carefully instructed in ecollar use and many ecollar trainers don't even take the collar out of the box until the second or third training session.<br /> <br />But put that ecollar into the hands of someone who thinks his dog is a FUR PERSON or (next time he looks) BAD WOLF; has no timing and expects his dog to deconstruct his muddled commands to a meaning he couldn't articulate himself: ("You son of a bitch" may mean "Don't poop in the house", "Come here now" "Get off the driveway" or....or . . .<br /> <br />That muddle is reinforced with a powerful shock administered by a dog ignorant, technophiliac owner who believes that if a setting of #1 works, #6 will REALLY get the dog's attention.<br /> <br />Unlike the rolled newspaper and the abusing boot, the ecollar has no other purpose. It delivers a shock: mild or severe, to a dog some distance from the transmitter. It is a sophisticated tool whose employment unfortunately, seems simple and even self-evident: viz: "Shep screwed up! By God he's gonna get shocked until he howls!"<br /> <br />I would guess that of every 100 collars PetSmart sells, 85 are misused and do in fact abuse dogs. That can't be said of 100 newspapers or 100 pairs of boots.<br /> <br />We trained dogs before BJ Skinner and Karen Pryor. We may have trained them better before behaviorists came on the scene. We trained dogs - even trash chasing hunting dogs - before the ecollar.<br /> <br />If the behaviorists were to expire in a flurry of MA's and PHD's, and ecollars were to be banned, we would still train our dogs.<br /> <br />But we would lose some useful tools. (Yes, even behaviorists have some useful tools.)<br /> <br />If we were rational, we would license ecollar use like other powerful, potentially harmful technologies: the automobile, toxic chemicals, C4, the airplane . . .<br /> <br />But there is a substrate of the pro and anti ecollar argument that quelches rational discourse. How dog trainers see themselves and how they make their living underpins pro and anti ecollar argument.<br /> <br />The most vocal "positive" trainers see all corrections as cruel. They regularly denounce "traditional" and "ecollar" trainers . They claim that "reward based" training is both scientific and kinder. "What would you rather do, hurt your dog or give it a treat?" one writes.<br /> <br />Since very few Americans (Rick Perry?) want to be thought "Unscientific" and nobody wants to be "cruel", this is a powerful marketing tool in a crowded business whose prominent practitioners earn six figures.<br /> <br />Ecollar defenders not only defend the tool and their training methods but their reputations as dog kindly decent individuals. Not to mention their ability to pay their bills.<br /> <br />The argument is too hot for reason to prevail. If reason did, we'd license ecollars and get back to training our dogs.<br /> <br />Donald McCaigPBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684843.post-10151641254536734112011-08-25T18:15:51.655-04:002011-08-25T18:15:51.655-04:00I have to admit to not being a fan of efences (and...I have to admit to not being a fan of efences (and the GSDs across the street from me are a perfect example of why) but I have to agree, that with the right kind of dog, properly trained, efences and shock collars can be very useful tools when used properly.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11924993310937754220noreply@blogger.com